The importance of forgiveness

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valerio92
00giovedì 25 settembre 2008 00:06
While he is in the temple of the wind he stay completely alone but the spirits and he have a lot of time to think about what he did to hi third wife Kahlan 'cause without letting her the time to explain why she did such a thing he leave the life's world to take up the spirit's world. When he finally come back to Aydindril he says to Kahlan that he covered all that journey only to ask her forgiveness (he was almost death but he want her forgiveness to die happy) What do you think about it??
singularity
00giovedì 25 settembre 2008 15:11
great misunderstandings happened before richard left the world of the living and walked into the temple of the wind... it was established previously that richard's power made him recognize kahlan from a distance and even before he saw her... in the dark before having to have to make love to her, he had already recognized her, he knew kahlan was beside him...
kahlan had no such power, and in the dark she just did not recognize richard, probably because she was nervous and upset and especially angry that she had just become the wife of drefan...

many times we've seen that richard loses his temper... in this he also lost his temper and became incapable of reasoning things out logically... hence he felt completely betrayed by kahlan who in essence had done nothing wrong since drefan was now her husband...

so in view of this i can see why richard needed to ask for kahlan's forgiveness... he loved her too much not to want to be forgiven by her...
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 18:54
I think that everyone can do the wrong thing (errare humanus est, perseverare diabolicus est)and the true power of human being is forgiven the mistakes of the other (to the besto of one's ability)expecially in the anger's moments
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 18:54
I think that everyone can do the wrong thing (errare humanus est, perseverare diabolicus est)and the true power of human being is forgiven the mistakes of the other (to the best of one's ability)expecially in the anger's moments
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 19:22
true... we all do wrong because no one is perfect... and yes the greatest power is to forgive... but maybe richard went overboard with the forgiveness thing vs. his well being...
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 19:51
oh ya. Now I think I won't have his thoughts when I'm going to die but who can said the contrary?????
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 20:01
sorry, i'm not sure what you are trying to say...

... but maybe sometimes richard should have been a little selfish. after all isn't that what objectivists preach? selfishness is not bad it is good?
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 20:01
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 20:50
Oh i'm sorry I understand my english isn't very good.
Now I try to explain it better....to reach kahlan's forgiveness he accepted to contract the plague and to die, in similar occasions I think I won't have his same thoughts
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 21:23
ok i understand... richard's need for kahlan's forgiveness was greater than him living... and i suppose you would not have chosen such a route...

you are 16 and i'm sure that you might have been in love and have had girlfriends... but you have not experienced true and everlasting love... so, you cannot say you would not react in the same way that richard did...
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 22:34
I agree with you (of course you have more exp than me) I'm searching girlfriend at the moment but I've never been truly fallen in love with someone and as you said I cannot write how I react at the same decision of Richard. I hope I'll find someone for who I'll sacrifice (more than the two people most important in my life: my relatives) my life with pleasure
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 22:40
if you look hard and don't lose your head you will probably find that someone for whom you would give your life...
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 22:45
thanks I'll follow your suggestion certainly
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:00
still... [SM=g27997] knowing that he was so important for the salvation of the new world why in the blasing world would richard except death just so he can ask for kahlan's forgiveness? don't you think him a bit selfish?
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:04
Yes he's selfish I've never said the opposite
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:15
so is it fine to be selfish?
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:19
in some occasion it's important to be selfish and in other be selfish is totally wrong. It depends from the situations
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:25
so you think richard did right by coming back to die instead of thinking of the people of the new world falling into the hands of the order?
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:31
As Goodkind write in the book the price was the worst he has ever had to pay but I think that if he didn't accepted to pay the price he won't be able to come back to the life's world and the battle will be loose too
singularity
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:36
yeap! you definitely know the first book real well...

so with this selfish act richard actually gets it all...
valerio92
00martedì 30 settembre 2008 23:42
Re:
singularity, 30/09/2008 23.36:

yeap! you definitely know the first book real well...

so with this selfish act richard actually gets it all...




I think you put this post in the wrong thread
singularity
00mercoledì 1 ottobre 2008 01:37
sorry... i meant the fourth book...

so do you think it fair that with one selfish act richard gets it all?
valerio92
00mercoledì 1 ottobre 2008 18:06
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean please can you explain it clearer? in english of course
singularity
00giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 00:51
we were talking about how selfish richard's act of returning to die just so he could ask for kahlan's forgiveness... with this selfish act he not only received forgiveness, but then went on to free the world of the imperial order...
valerio92
00giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 15:31
yes it's right what you said I think the same
singularity
00giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 15:33
so you think that selfishness is a good quality?
valerio92
00giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 16:02
Oh I'm sorry I undestand only now that I made a mistake. I confused selfish with self confident excuse me
singularity
00giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 16:23
so you are now telling me you don't think selfishness is a good thing? so richard was wrong in his selfish act of coming back to die just so he could have kahlan's forgiveness?
valerio92
00giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 19:19
no it's correct in this case but not always
singularity
00giovedì 2 ottobre 2008 21:23
so when is selfishness not a good thing?
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